Swimming the Tiber | Chris Castaldo & Brad Littlejohn

Swimming the Tiber

CHris castaldo & brad littlejohn

Chris Castaldo and Brad Littlejohn join the podcast to discuss their recent book Why Protestants Convert. In this conversation we talk about the reasons why many Christians, particularly in the contemporary evangelical church, feel both pushed and pulled towards a conversion to Roman Catholicism. Along the way we talk about the historic Christian moral theology, smoke machines, the place of evangelism and catechesis in the Christian faith, and especially why there is a rich historic heritage available to Protestants within their own tradition.


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Chris Castaldo is the Lead Pastor at New Covenant Church in Naperville, IL, and is a member of the St. Peter Fellowship at the Center for Pastor Theologians. He writes regularly on his personal blog and has published numerous books on the relationship between Protestantism and Catholicism. His most recent work is The Upside Down Kingdom: Wisdom for Life from the Beatitudes (Crossway, 2023).

Brad Littlejohn is president of Davenant Institute and is a fellow in the Ethics and Public Policy Center’s Evangelicals in Civic Life program where his work focuses on helping public leaders understand the intellectual and historical foundations of our current breakdown of public trust, social cohesion, and sound governance.